Re: Web development platform contest and Perl / mod_perl

[Foo JH <suppressed>]

Agreed. I believe at this point in time (mod)Perl's extensive library 
support + Apache integration is still a unique value proposition. 
However I suspect because it is not based on a oop foundation, people 
tend to favour languages like Ruby instead.

To be realistic, whatever the outcome of this competition, it will not 
likely to change the perception of (mod)Perl much. The Perl environment 
needs to move forward, and be accepted by the general development and 
business community. Otherwise it will become the next Cobol.

I fear the lack of progress in Perl 6 is a sign of impending doom...:(

Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Oh yes in the last period I have seen that other languages are more and more
> used comparing with perl.
> I can see more and more programs made in Python, including in fields in
> which there are no perl programs at all, like a screen reader for example.
> I see a bigger and bigger interest in Ruby and Ruby on Rails framework and a
> good promotion of them.
>
> So I think that Perl should be also be promoted because otherwise less and
> less programmers will become interested in it.
>
> Teddy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hahn, Christopher" <suppressed>
> To: "Alvar Freude" <suppressed>
> Cc: "mod_perl list" <suppressed>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Web development platform contest and Perl / mod_perl
>
>
>
> ...and yet I wonder if the gentleman is correct in suggesting that
> "It would be good for the reputation for mod_perl and Perl"
>
> If so, then while it might not be the smartest thing in everyone's
> opinion,
> I would still like to see Perl stand out well against other tools!
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Vanasco [mailto:suppressed
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:07 PM
> To: Alvar Freude
> Cc: mod_perl list
> Subject: Re: Web development platform contest and Perl / mod_perl
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Alvar Freude wrote:
>
>   
> > Hi mod_perl and Perl users,
> >
> > There is an international contest and comparison with scientific
> > evaluation about programming languages (and frameworks) for web
> > development.
> >
> >   <http://www.plat-forms.org/>
> >     
>
> honestly, that contest looks ridiculously stupid and ill conceived.
>
> any developer worth hiring knows that different languages/platforms/
> frameworks are better suited for different tasks.
>
> if you build '1 web application' under 20 languages / frameworks, you're
> sure to have some frameworks handle it amazingly well -- and others
> horrible -- all because of the design specs.
> If you tweak the parameters of that application ever so slightly, you'll
> easily flip the results.
>
> You'll also run into issues where benefits/limitations aren't from the
> languages themselves, but from frameworks built on top of them.
>
> Honestly, i don't understand how someone could hope garner an objective
> comparison of any two platforms by simply comparing a 30hr project
> across different implementations.
>
>
>
> // Jonathan Vanasco
>
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